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Brazil Urges Obama to Tighten the Vise on Honduras to Get Zelaya Back PDF Print E-mail
2009 - August 2009
Written by Newsroom   
Thursday, 13 August 2009 09:07

Zelaya meets Lula in Brasília The President of Brazil, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, and ousted Honduran President Manuel Zelaya called on Wednesday, August 12, on the United States to use more political influence to help solve the Honduran crisis.

Zelaya, who was received in Brazilian capital Brasí­lia with full head of state honors for a one day visit, said Washington should address the issue with more energetic measures such as trade sanctions against the Honduran interim government. Almost 70% of the Honduran economy depends on the United States.

Following the hour and a half meeting in Brasí­lia, President Lula reaffirmed support for Zelaya's "immediate and unconditional" return to Honduras. The Brazilian promised to talk to his US peer Barack Obama on the issue at "an appropriate time."

Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim told the press that Zelaya's return would largely depend on the position of the United States.

"President Lula said that clearly: we are concerned by the delay (in Zelaya's return), because as time passes, the chances for President Zelaya's legitimate elections calendar (scheduled for November) is weakening" Amorim said. Zelaya was expected to end his term as president at year-end.

Amorim insisted it all depends on "how the United States will act; it must be a multilateral action. We believe that actions should be conducted by the OAS (Organization of American States)."

Zelaya was deposed in a June 28 coup and flown to neighboring Costa Rica. Following the coup, Brazil recalled its ambassador from Honduras and suspended cooperation with the Central American nation.

The ousted Honduran president is scheduled to meet Chilean president Michelle Bachelet Thursday in Santiago. On Wednesday the Chilean Foreign Affairs ministry informed that on request from the "legitimate government of President Zelaya", the Honduran ambassador in Santiago no longer has that status and must "hand over his diplomatic immunities."

Meanwhile in Tegucigalpa thousands of protesters calling for the return of deposed president Zelaya clashed with police for the second day in a row. Youths with bandannas covering their faces threw rocks at police outside Honduras' congressional building. The police, protecting themselves with riot shields, periodically launched tear gas to disperse them.

It was unclear how many protesters took part in the demonstration. Police placed the number at 3,000; pro-Zelaya supporters said 10,000. There were no reports of deaths or injuries, but police said they'd arrested at least 43 people.

On Tuesday, Honduran authorities declared a curfew in the capital after the protesters, many of whom arrived by foot from outside Tegucigalpa in their largest organizing effort yet, broke windows, looted a Dunkin' Donuts franchise and set fire to a municipal bus.

Most commerce seemed to carry on as usual Wednesday, though teachers and medical professionals who were striking in solidarity with Zelaya shut down public schools and hospitals.

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Understanding the Underlying Cause of the LEGITIMATE Honduras Issue
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, August 13, 2009
Firstly, it must be established that Mr. Zelaya, the deposed President, was elected with the support of a center-right coalition, which does not have the majority in the nation’s Legislative branch (composed of a single chamber).

Curiously, despite the political orientation of the parties which supported his election, (and perhaps due corrupt “financial incentives” from Caracas) Mr. Zelaya has recently become increasingly “friendly” with the neo-Marxist “Chavez Gang” (composed by the nearly criminal leaders of Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, and Nicaragua), which understandably alarmed Honduras intellectuals, the opposition parties, the Judiciary branch, as well as the Armed forces.

Then, Mr. Zelaya decided to emulate his new Venezuelan benefactor by suggesting a proposal to amend Honduras “Magna Carta” (their constitution) in order to permit presidential RE-election. However, because this proposed referendum was designed to modify a Magna Carta provision which does NOT allow subsequent amendments, the Judiciary ruled the proposal illegal, a move which was supported by the Armed Forces.

Almost immediately thereafter, the legislative branch approved a motion PROHIBITING referendums to be held 180 days before or after general elections which automatically rendered Mr. Zelaya’s plans impossible.

Nevertheless, the President supporters somehow ignored any opposition to their proposal and somehow produced ballots for the referendum, which were then placed under the protection of the country’s Military, which CORRECTLY refused to comply with repeated presidential demands for the Military to release the ballots.

As a result, the Minister of Defense was fired thereby triggering the leaders of each branch of the Armed forces to renounce their positions, which culminated with the illegal seizure of these ballots by presidential supporters. Consequently, the Military placed hundreds of soldiers in streets of the nation’s main cities thereby further deteriorating the situation.

In essence, it appears that even the very political parties composing the coalition which elected Mr. Zelaya eventually turned against this extremely corrupt individual.

Consequently, given the nature of the “filth” taking place in Honduras under the PREVIOUS president, everyone should PRAISE that country’s HONORABLE military for having prevented this shameful character, another potential Chavez puppet, from proceeding with his illegal schemes .

thanks for the details of the incident, augustus
written by asp, August 13, 2009
it is a complex issue and not so cut and dried about what any country outside of honduras should do...

there is a strange dynamic evolving in the americas now, with knee jerk reactions to anything the united states does. while at the same time, celibrationg a dictatorship like cuba . and , chavez is witiling away at the freedoms of the people of his country, closing down opisition radio stations, threatening large tv stations, taking over what can be taught in the schools, even encouriging closing down golf cources , and people are getting up tight at what the united states is doing or not doing...

a down right hypocritic stance on not wanting american military down in colombian army bases while harboring , aiding and abetting farc....yeah, i guess if codaine is a way that chavez can make money , he sure doesnt want more american military people trying to fight cocaine smuggling ...and , lets note, he is the one making threats of war..something that would be screamed to the high heavens if the usa said anything like that...personaly, i think the whole usa war on drugs is a miserable failure and is just making people like farc and chavez rich...

i mean, sure, the usa was dirty in the cold war, had cia on the scene down in the americas, over threw democratic elections, had training camps for south american military...

but, its just down right hypocritical to not remember that cuba was activly trying to infiltrate these countries acting on the power and backing of the soviet union , who had spies in south america decades earliar...ive seen docu after docu of tortured , exiled militants from the dictator days who openly admit to training for military revolutionary marxist revolution in cuba, china and russia....

lets just admit , every one was playing the same dirty little game....so why does the usa have to get the knee jerk reaction ?

honduros is complex, i cant even make a call on it....why cant they just let him back in and bring him to court about it ? but, im glad the usa didnt just come in and throw their weight around. good job obama
asp
written by João da Silva, August 14, 2009
IMHO,as usual, our good buddy Lord Augustus has done a very good research on this Honduran issue and come out with facts that do not appear in Regional Newspapers in Brasil. I only partially agree with you when you state that "Honduras is Complex". Complex for the simple reason that most of our local newspapers and TVs do not give enough coverage. Even the "Mainstream Media" in U.S. have forgotten about it. If you recall,besides Augustus, you and me , the only other person who talks about it is Forrest. Not even the "well informed" ch.c.

As you have rightly mentioned many times with your customary foresight, vision and immense Geo-political knowledge, there are many strange things are happening in our part of the Americas. The "Honduran Incident" is just a link in the chain of events to come.

I fully agree with you that Obama did a good job paying a lip service. I dont think that he and HRC are very keen to support Mr.Zelaya who might turn our to be another "Pai dos Pobres". Of course, the Honduran Legislative and Judiciary branches prevented it from happening. I agree with your cunning suggestion, though. Allow that gentleman back into Honduras and bring up charges against him. BUT.........BUT......, one never knows the result. Some overzealous judge may find him not guilty and reinstate the "Pai dos Pobres" back into power. From what I have read and heard, Zelaya is no different from Peron & other "Caudilhos" in this continent.

So, Augustus being an amateur historian, knows what it is at stake.
you are wise, joao
written by asp, August 14, 2009
my instincts want to support what honduras did to zeleya, but, im trying to be an american who wont meddle in central american politics (smile)

maybe its wrong to try too hard to not ruffle the marxist leaders feathers, and not give them anything to bitch about america , but , they are going to complain anyway

what i do prefer now is to sit back and listen to people like augustus and you and others here give their assesements of this...

for sure, im waiting for chvez and this whole flawed neo marxist crap to fall flat on its face......its taking a long time , though, the thorough brain washing of south america and the re writing of history has been powerful...but,you all keep up the good work...
asp
written by João da Silva, August 14, 2009
you are wise, joao


A tua bondade, ASP. You are a scholar and gentleman.

but, im trying to be an american who wont meddle in central american politics


No, my friend. People like us are "Hommes san Frontièrre". For me, it doesn't matter if you are an American, Brit, Aussie, etc;. The passports we hold mean nothing to us and they are just booklets with our pictures, personal data, etc. So please feel free to meddle in the Politics of all the Americas. Please do remember that you live in this country and pay taxes of all sorts (Absurd and scandalous, though), thus giving you the God given rights like the rest of us to meddle as much as you want. Also bear in mind that Augustus, in spite of being a Brasilian criticizes the U.S. politics as well as meddles in the Central and Spanish American politics.

But ...But..., who disappointed me in this whole story of Honduras is ch.c, who hasn't mentioned a word about the alarming situation. Probably, he is pro-Zelaya and expects handsome rewards once the "Pai dos Pobres" is reinstated in power. Or he is in Patagonia in support of "Tia dos Pobres". smilies/wink.gif
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?
written by The Guest, August 14, 2009
Could one of you please tell me how the military and the puppet president that they installed were correct when they broke the law. The same laws they were trying to keep the IDIOT, Zeleya, from breaking.
No matter how many referandums he held, the Honduran constitution is very clear---one term and you are out. All the military had to do was let him finish his term and then escort him out of town at the end of the year when the new constitutionally elected president from the november election term began.
If Zeleya is not returned to finish his term, going forward the military knows that it could replace any elected president with whom it does not agree with a puppet civilian president or one of their own military men----dictatorship which is no different than that of the other IDIOT Chavez.
Latin America (let alone Africa) is not sufficiently matured for a Full Fledge Democracy
written by AUGUSTUS SEVERUS, August 14, 2009
Unless the majority of the citizens of any nation is sufficiently educated (referring to the bare minimum), it is inevitable for extreme levels of corruption, and populist manipulations of the people's mind, of the nation's political system and its fragile economies to render any attempt to implement Western-style democracy to succeed.

As implied under various previous articles and comments, I truly believe that Latin American (as well as African) countries would be far better off under the benign control of each country's Armed Forces
The Guest
written by João da Silva, August 14, 2009
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?


Nothing wrong!!

Welcome back to the dry land. While you were away, you missed a great article published by our friend Augustus in Brazzil.com.

Re your comment on Honduras, did their Military install themselves in power? No. According to what I read, the chairman of their senate (legal successor and a civilian) was sworn in as the Interim President. The judiciary and Legislative branches were apprehensive of a "Populist Caudilho" remaining in power and the country to mobilize the masses in favor of a second mandate. I am not denying that their armed forces used strong arm tactics to bundle him into an airplane at dawn and sending him out of the country. But was it a military coup, as most of the members of OAS are branding it?

no it was not a coup
written by fORREST ALLEN BROWN, August 14, 2009
it was an ends to a means .

he was trying to reinstal himself as chavas did and morlas will try to do later ?

but the houndrains had there military power and went on to the vote of law Mr Z wanted his people to do for him what coulimbians did for there president
they wanted nothing to do with him
like the US will do to obama vote him away .

at leats they did not shoot him and his family like so many brasilian politicans do and get away with it .


Joao weather in deigo was bad and to many other places are better .
Forrest
written by João da Silva, August 14, 2009
at leats they did not shoot him and his family like so many brasilian politicans do and get away with it .


Come now Forrest. You are unfair to the our military. They didn't shoot anybody in 1964 either!!!

Joao weather in deigo was bad and to many other places are better .


Here too. BUT...BUT..., for the past 3 days, it has been sunny and nice. Our good friend ASP must be getting his posterior sun tanned. smilies/wink.gif
João
written by The Guest, August 14, 2009
"Welcome back to the dry land."

Thank you. I am not sure how long I will be on land since I am in the process of looking for a new job. The last one ended due to the lack of cargo---econimic crisis.

" While you were away, you missed a great article published by our friend Augustus in Brazzil.com."

I will look for it while I catch up.

"Re your comment on Honduras, did their Military install themselves in power? No. According to what I read, the chairman of their senate (legal successor and a civilian) was sworn in as the Interim President."

You are right, they did not install themselves in power THIS TIME, but the chairman of the senate, even though he is the legal successor and a civilian, was not installed for reasons layed out in the Honduran constitution either.

"Was it a military coup, as most of the members of OAS are branding it? "

Yes, the military and the chairman of the senate broke the law when they removed a constitutionally elected president before his term was over.
People like us are "Hommes san Frontièrre".
written by ch.c., August 15, 2009
Somewhat partially true ONLY !
So are the illegals foreigners saying when in the USA, Canada or Europe !
Curiously few brazilians "Hommes Sans Frontière" enter and stay illegally in Africa, Middle East, Asia or even the 3 others
BRIC countries : China, Russia or India !

Are you really....Hommes Sans Frontières ?
or more....Men With Targeted Frontiers ?

Your comments, agreements or disagreements are welcome !
Because if the future is in the Emerging Nations as we read everywhere all the time, then the flows should be the inverse and not the actuals ones !

In the meantime I will keep smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif
ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 15, 2009
Hey ch.c, it is great to hear from ya again. You must be quite busy philandering in Geneve. However I must thank you for correcting my mistake in French for I wrote:

"Hommes san Frontièrre".


And you corrected:

"Hommes Sans Frontière"


BUT...BUT.... you haven't answered my comment:

But ...But..., who disappointed me in this whole story of Honduras is ch.c, who hasn't mentioned a word about the alarming situation. Probably, he is pro-Zelaya and expects handsome rewards once the "Pai dos Pobres" is reinstated in power. Or he is in Patagonia in support of "Tia dos Pobres".


There could be two explanations for your non-reply a) You don't know where Honduras is on the map b) You are pro Zelaya.

Even our good friend "The Guest" has expressed his opinion and it is high time for you to come out of your infamous "Swiss Neutrality" and say something. smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif smilies/grin.gif
The Guest
written by João da Silva, August 15, 2009
Yes, the military and the chairman of the senate broke the law when they removed a constitutionally elected president before his term was over.


The Senate Chairman here has been breaking the laws for almost 1/4 of a century!!

Thank you. I am not sure how long I will be on land since I am in the process of looking for a new job. The last one ended due to the lack of cargo---econimic crisis.


The crisis is temporary and the best thing to do is to ride it out without getting panicky. I think that the economic crisis will last till the end of 1st semester of 2010, though right now there is a temporary euphoria created by the media (about the stock markets). Till the second half of 2010, we have to grin and bear. The things here aren't rosy either, in spite of the ad agencies working overtime!
...
written by The Guest, August 15, 2009
"The crisis is temporary and the best thing to do is to ride it out without getting panicky."

That is my intension. I am actually taking some time off and will commence searching on September 1st. Until then I will relax and read as much of the articles as I can.
one term and you are out !
written by ch.c., August 15, 2009
Wellll not so in Venezuela !
They had 2 terms and then out. Now they are at.....as long as Hugo wants and chose !

As to Brazil ? No problem. They had 5 years term and Lula was AGAINST IT !
Now he is in power it is 2 x 4 years terms and out. Hmmmmm !
But...but...but....he is not yet out. The eventual surprise may come in 2010 !
Has he not already said for his second term....THAT HE WAS FORCED TO REPRESENT HIMSELF ? Yesss...he said so !

And to Joao :
I dont really care what is happening in Honduras. I dont invest there anyway ! Laughs !
but....but....but....I am against the military coups everywhere on earth.
Be it in Brazil (short memory ?), Thailand, Honduras or just name it !
Therefore as a Democrat (but certainly not a Democrat in the U.S. sense) I am in favor of NON MANIPULATED VOTATIONS !

It is WE THE PEOPLE that elected our politicians, and thus the army must not meddle at all.
An army is supposed to defend the territory in case of violence that is not contained by the police forces (Brazil should know - Hmmm) or from outside threats or invasions !
And in Honduras there were no such problems, to my knowledge. But I am not an expert for there !

Anything else Joao ?

I njust thank God and my ancestrors who built my country, that here we dont elect our President.
Our President is elected by a small panel of people, and they elect the President in a rotation !
Better yet our President has Noooooo Power AT ALL. He/she simply must make sure that our instituions do their job.
And last but not least, our Presidential Term is ONE YEAR, And cannot be re-elected 2 years consecutively !
Here it is ONE TERM, ONE YEAR, NO POWER...AND OUT !
And whenever we are not happy at whatever decision taken by our politicians, WE ARE FREE TO LAUNCH A REFERENDUM THAT WILL THEN BE SUBJECT TO VOTATIONS AND THEN THE MAJORITY WINS !

WE DECIDE ! NO ONE ELSE DECIDE FOR US !
And this is quite different in 99 % of countries on earth. Including Brazil and the USA....by the way !
Our lawmakers CANNOT make laws as they wish without the support of the majority of WE THE PEOPLE !

Ohhh my country just has these days its 781th year (or 718...who cares ? - laughs) of existence !

smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/wink.gif
ch.c
written by João da Silva, August 15, 2009
Anything else Joao ?


Nothing else, ch.c. You said it all, especially about 2010. Thanks. smilies/wink.gif smilies/cheesy.gif

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